Secondly, since Sir Vicar pretends that human ordinance and teaching are to be held, this also is not written in the Gospel; he refers to St. Paul to the Thessalonians, where he writes: Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word or our epistle.” I say Paul did not speak, teach, write or instruct in anything except what the Lord had ordered him. For he testifies everywhere, - and also proves it to be true, to have written or preached naught except the Gospel of Christ, which God had promised before in the Scriptures of His Son through the prophets.
Vicar
Master Ulrich, you said in your Articles that the mass is no offering. Now I shall prove that for 1400 years ‘ missal” has been considered a sacrifice and called an offering. For missa” is a Hebrew word, known by us as sacrifice, and also the apostles were known as missam sacrificium.”
Zwingli: Sir Vicar, prove that. Vicar: To-day I spoke as a Vicar; now I speak as a John. Zwingli: Yes indeed; had you long before to-day taken off your vicar’s hat it would have suited you well at times to-day; then one could have spoken
[[^^ And the traditions do not disagree with the Scriptures, so that when]
[the apostles wrote one thing another was opposed to it.” (Bullinger.)]]
with you as with a John. I say that you should prove from the Scriptures that the mass is a sacrifice, for, as St. Paul says, Heb. ix. 12, 25, 26, Christ not more than once was sacrificed, not by other blood, but by his own blood he entered once into the holy place,” etc., nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priests in the Old Testament had to do for the sin of the people, for then must Christ often have suffered. Likewise, St. Paul writes, Heb. x. 12, 14, But this man after he had offered one sacrifice forever sat down on the right hand of God.” Likewise, For by one offering he hath perfected forever them that are sanctified.” Likewise, By so much does this sacrifice surpass the sacrifices in the Old Testament fulfilled by the high priest, by so much more powerful is this declared to be that it was sufficient once for the sins of all people. Heb. vii. 22-27. Who is so unreasonable as not to note that Christ must never be sacrificed in the mass as a sacrifice for us when he hears that the
[[Hans Hab remarks: Faber attacked the Articles severely, but could]
[not prove that they are unchristian. It happened thus, when after din-]
[ner the decision was read: Just like the peasant boys, you first began in]
[earnest after the matter was closed, and even then you did not wish to]
[attack any Article, to make it unchristian by means of the Scriptures, as]
[you attacked them, but you raised the Articles in your own hand and said:]
[Now I do not wish to speak as a vicar, but as a John, and I say, Master Ulrich,]
[that your Articles are not like unto the truth, and are not based upon the Gos-]
[pel and the writings of the apostles.” Zwingli answered: ’ Sir Vicar, if you]
[had taken off your hat long ago one could have treated about something. But]
[in answer to your speech I spoke thus: You shall prove your wicked speech]
[with the deed, and do well and attack only one Article, so that we may not let]
[this day pass by uselessly, for so well are these Articles founded that heaven]
[and earth must break sooner than one of these Articles. Upon this you an-]
[swered, as always before, this was not the place to debate, but you wished to]
[debate in writing and have judges. Thereupon Zwingli answered he was]
[indifferent whether one noted down everything that was spoken, but he wanted]
[no judge over the word of God, for the word of God should judge the people,]
[and not the people the word of God. About that you teased Zwingli, whether]
[he would not take those of Zürich as judges? Zwingli replied, no—so muck]
[at this time, although much was still added thereto.” (Gyrenrupfen.”)]]
Holy Ghost speaks from the Scriptures, For not more than once (semel) by one offering he entered into the holy place; otherwise he must die often? Now matters have come to such a state that the papists have made out of the mass a sacrifice for the living and dead, contrary to the joyful Scriptures of God; they wish to protect this also, so that they may defend their name of scholar or their avarice. We also know well that missa” does not come from Hebrew or Greek; but you present nothing from the Scriptures.
Vicar
I will do that and prove it before the universities, where learned judges sit. And choose a place, be it Paris, Cologne or Freiburg, whichever you please; then I shall overthrow the Articles presented by you and prove them to be wrong. ZWINGLI.
I am ready, wherever you wish, as also to-day I offered to give answer at Constance, if a safe conduct (as to you here) is promised to me and respected. But no judge I want, except the Scriptures, as they have been said and spoken by the Spirit of God; no human being, whichsoever it be; and before you overthrow one Article the earth must be overthrown, for they are ’ the Word of God.